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Audio Portal Cleanup

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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-02 21:10:38


At 4/2/15 03:06 PM, Step wrote:
At 4/2/15 12:38 PM, Andrea364 wrote: What is it with people and uploading songs that aren't theirs for this game?
Basically, Geometry Dash is a popular rhythm-based platformer game similar to The Impossible Game where levels are made to match the music. Before, there used to be only around a dozen tracks chosen by the developer (one of which, incidentally, happens to be a song of my own) to have levels made for them in the game. There was one official level for each track and a custom level editor to make your own out of the aforementioned dozen tracks or so.

A few months ago the developer opened the level editor up to the whole of the Newgrounds Audio Portal. Anyone can make a custom level with any Audio Portal song, as long as they type its Audio Portal ID down in the custom level editor. The level can then be uploaded for other Geometry Dash players to play them, and whenever a new player plays it, the game downloads its Audio Portal song (which explains why some tracks on here have far more downloads than they have views).

This is fine and all, but the problem arose when people decided to make a Newgrounds account and upload their favourite songs so that they can make Geometry Dash levels out of them, even if the songs aren't theirs, so now we have potentially dozens of tracks daily that aren't original because people try to make Geometry Dash levels out of them.

May I confess, I use to do this stuff. I then decided that it would be better just to use songs that people upload. I removed my tracks and all. However, people can not upload their favorite tracks anymore just for their new demon level. I tried this a few times in fact. None of them worked ingame. They have to be approved artists now.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 06:51:14


At 4/2/15 09:10 PM, H20studios wrote: However, people can not upload their favorite tracks anymore just for their new demon level. I tried this a few times in fact. None of them worked ingame. They have to be approved artists now.

Yup, this is an intended change, to deter people from uploading music that isn't theirs just to use in Geometry Dash. Plus, it makes sense. If an artist isn't scouted, then there's a likelihood that the music s/he posts breaks the rules, so it wouldn't make sense to allow that music to be downloaded by other people.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 13:51:50


At 4/3/15 06:51 AM, Step wrote: Yup, this is an intended change, to deter people from uploading music that isn't theirs just to use in Geometry Dash. Plus, it makes sense. If an artist isn't scouted, then there's a likelihood that the music s/he posts breaks the rules, so it wouldn't make sense to allow that music to be downloaded by other people.

Actually, downloading and using songs from unscouted artists still works in Geometry Dash sometimes.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 14:12:17


At 4/3/15 01:51 PM, lucas59 wrote: Actually, downloading and using songs from unscouted artists still works in Geometry Dash sometimes.

That's odd. It shouldn't. If you try and follow the download link of a song by an unscouted artist, then it should come up with an error on your browser, so I don't see how Geometry Dash is able to download the song anyway. I might do some testing at one point, making my own custom level.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 14:54:53


I've got a long list this time!

WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE STEALING THIS SONG!

Doubt he/she owns this

LOL he even admits it!

Again admits it

Admits it again

At least someone doesn't admit it this time!

Probs doesn't own.

Hey! Isn't this song made by Waterflame!

I doubt he/she owns this

Takes a bit of time to see that he doesn't own this.

I heard this before

I HAD ENOUGH OF THIS STUPID SONG! At least he made it spanish!

Shockingly high quality. Seems suspicious!

Geometry Dash in the tags = Instant Suspicion

Why the heck do people confess.

OMG GD IN TITLE! THIS MEANS HE STOLE IT (probz)

Clips of stuff he doesn't own

Just reading the title, you know he doesn't own it

Probably doesn't own.

Ok. This guy makes it obvious.

Doesn't own.

This is Theory of Everything by Dj Nate!

He confesses, like everyone else!

Says it in the title

Waterflame - Fuzzy

Doesn't own

I don't think this person owns it.

Seems to not own it

Description explains everything

Pegboard Nerds FTW!

By Beethoven

Doesn't own

Essential for GD. Sounds suspicious doesn't it?

Doesn't own

Really good. But also stolen!

From a game.

Yeah. This was stolen.

Suspcious
Hall of robbers:
http://gdsongrepository.newgrounds.com/
http://eribic650.newgrounds.com/
http://pianruve.newgrounds.com/
http://flippycatfan.newgrounds.com/
http://iiicookieiii.newgrounds.com/
http://agonito.newgrounds.com/

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 14:57:04 (edited 2015-04-03 14:59:56)


Actually, downloading and using songs from unscouted artists still works in Geometry Dash sometimes.

That is probably when an artist was approved and then changed to unscouted. Happened to a few people like TheOfficialMonkey and DanielGazara

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 14:58:25


Does it count as stolen if it uses music that was taken from Newgrounds? Some GD guy sang over Final Battle - Waterflame and uploaded it.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 15:01:20 (edited 2015-04-03 15:01:57)


At 4/3/15 02:58 PM, LunacyEcho wrote: Does it count as stolen if it uses music that was taken from Newgrounds? Some GD guy sang over Final Battle - Waterflame and uploaded it.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/600815

Yes it does in fact. I reported Advy's how-to songs for doing this. Now look at them! They're gone!

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 15:06:07


At 4/2/15 03:06 PM, Step wrote:
At 4/2/15 12:38 PM, Andrea364 wrote: What is it with people and uploading songs that aren't theirs for this game?
Basically, Geometry Dash is a popular rhythm-based platformer game similar to The Impossible Game where levels are made to match the music. Before, there used to be only around a dozen tracks chosen by the developer (one of which, incidentally, happens to be a song of my own) to have levels made for them in the game. There was one official level for each track and a custom level editor to make your own out of the aforementioned dozen tracks or so.

A few months ago the developer opened the level editor up to the whole of the Newgrounds Audio Portal. Anyone can make a custom level with any Audio Portal song, as long as they type its Audio Portal ID down in the custom level editor. The level can then be uploaded for other Geometry Dash players to play them, and whenever a new player plays it, the game downloads its Audio Portal song (which explains why some tracks on here have far more downloads than they have views).

This is fine and all, but the problem arose when people decided to make a Newgrounds account and upload their favourite songs so that they can make Geometry Dash levels out of them, even if the songs aren't theirs, so now we have potentially dozens of tracks daily that aren't original because people try to make Geometry Dash levels out of them.

Well, the problem is that there is a secret way to bypass this. You'd have to go to where the downloaded tracks are saved. Then, you put the desired track into the file where the songs are saved. You rename the song to the ID that you uploaded it as. I know this works for F-777 - Deadlocked. (Because it is being used in the next update) Not sure about unscouted tracks.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-03 20:40:42


At 4/3/15 02:58 PM, LunacyEcho wrote: Does it count as stolen if it uses music that was taken from Newgrounds? Some GD guy sang over Final Battle - Waterflame and uploaded it.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/600815

Did he credit Waterflame? Does the track allow modifications? If neither is true, then it isn't legal. He can't claim it as his own work.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-04 12:32:58


At 4/3/15 08:40 PM, Andrea364 wrote:
At 4/3/15 02:58 PM, LunacyEcho wrote: Does it count as stolen if it uses music that was taken from Newgrounds? Some GD guy sang over Final Battle - Waterflame and uploaded it.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/600815
Did he credit Waterflame? Does the track allow modifications? If neither is true, then it isn't legal. He can't claim it as his own work.

AdvyStyles's How to Clutterfunk was favorited by waterflame even though advy didn't credit waterflame for making the song. Then, Advy's How to Clutterfunk was removed by the Newgrounds Moderation Team.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-04 16:49:25


all audio http://mailsthefox.newgrounds.com/audio/
all audio http://hugocap22.newgrounds.com/audio/

all audio http://ramsterdam.newgrounds.com/audio/

all audio http://theemeraldminergmd.newgrounds.com/audio/

ill post more later bros.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-04 20:43:28


Both the same track. Also, the user contacted me asking about geometry dash, saying that he uploaded them only to use it. That makes me wonder if they're his original compositions.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-04 22:36:21


I got a confession. Audio portal mods, do your thing. This dude stole music

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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-05 11:52:17


At 4/4/15 10:36 PM, larrynachos wrote: I got a confession. Audio portal mods, do your thing. This dude stole music

Jesus, and murdered the English language in the process. Good catch.

Here's a few.

This guy isn't scouted, but he says this song belongs to a YouTuber

This one is admitted by the author to be from someone's soundcloud

This one is that Discord song

Happy Easter!


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-05 16:33:18 (edited 2015-04-05 16:34:10)


This is a good example. Clearly unscouted, yet his music still gets into GD. There's a bug somewhere, I tell ya.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-05 19:31:16 (edited 2015-04-05 19:33:02)


Another backlog cleared! *wipes sweat*

At 3/20/15 05:13 PM, FinaLee wrote: Got this one guy claiming to be Ahrix. I don't think this is the first time someone said they were him, either. Are any of you moderators up for a little investigation?

http://ahrixstudioz.newgrounds.com/audio/

Just a heads up that this account still needs to be deleted @BrenTheMan. Ahrix messaged me back and confirmed that the account isn't official.

At 4/2/15 07:31 PM, DylnMatrix wrote: Never thought I'd find rule breaking stuff in the Review Request Club thread, but
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/616992?updated=1
A "remix" of this. After having listened to the original and his remix a couple times, it sounds like he just chopped the original audio and looped parts of the drop and breaks, not really adding anything original from what I can tell.

Agreed. It's gone.

At 4/2/15 09:02 PM, H20studios wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/437794
Has the Portal- Still Alive vocals in it.

Pew pew.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/612853
Not sure if he owns it.

It's legit. The guy has a SoundCloud account, Shazam didn't bring up any hits, and the song he's referring to which he cut for Geometry Dash is his song Friction, not Fractal as it says in his song title and description, so that was a mistake on his part (which admittedly threw me off at first).

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/612399
Not sure again.

He didn't steal it, but I recognise premade loops, so it still breaks the rules.

At 4/3/15 02:54 PM, H20studios wrote: I've got a long list this time!

Phew! Good finds. Thanks!

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/595607
Doubt he/she owns this

Did some digging. It's high-quality stuff but I'm 99% sure it isn't stolen!

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/596043
Probs doesn't own.

Doesn't really sound like professional quality to me. I don't think it's stolen, but at the same time I don't like how he's referring to the artist in third person... I'll contact him for more info.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/594035
I doubt he/she owns this

What makes you think that? Sounds like some guy interpreting classical music with an electric guitar to me. Nothing that really screams "stolen" to me.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/610356
I heard this before

Look @dj-Jo. Your music is being stolen!

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/614034
Shockingly high quality. Seems suspicious!

Yup.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/607344
Geometry Dash in the tags = Instant Suspicion

Jesus Christ... that Summertime song is hands down one of the most stolen tracks here on Newgrounds, for sure. That, along with OMFG - Hello, Braken - To the Stars, Different Heaven - My Heart and that stupid FNAF song.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/597302
Why the heck do people confess.

Don't complain. Makes things easier for us! :p

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/599893
OMG GD IN TITLE! THIS MEANS HE STOLE IT (probz)

I did some research but couldn't find any hits on it. However, his other track is definitely stolen, and I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm fairly certain that's stolen too. If it isn't, then next time he should give a more detailed description. Either way, in the unlikely case that it actually IS his own work, he can contact me about it and if I see enough proof then I'll republish.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/614415
Probably doesn't own.

Indeed. Thanks, Shazam.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/596645
Doesn't own

How so? Seems OK to me!

At 4/3/15 03:01 PM, H20studios wrote:
At 4/3/15 02:58 PM, LunacyEcho wrote: Does it count as stolen if it uses music that was taken from Newgrounds? Some GD guy sang over Final Battle - Waterflame and uploaded it.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/600815
Yes it does in fact. I reported Advy's how-to songs for doing this. Now look at them! They're gone!

Yeah I'd usually allow this since tracks uploaded to Newgrounds allow reuse (as long as the original source is credited), and he at least contributed somewhat to the track, but honestly, it sounds far too spammy for me to let it slide. Removing it.

At 4/4/15 04:49 PM, w00tw00 wrote: ill post more later bros.

Thanks!

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/617615

Mind telling me why you think "Cottam, The Creator" is stolen? Seems fine to me!

At 4/4/15 10:36 PM, larrynachos wrote: I got a confession. Audio portal mods, do your thing. This dude stole music

With pleasure.

At 4/5/15 11:52 AM, Andrea364 wrote: This guy isn't scouted, but he says this song belongs to a YouTuber
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/549645

Pew.

This one is admitted by the author to be from someone's soundcloud
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/534627

Pew pew.

This one is that Discord song
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/568824

Pew pew pew.

Happy Easter!

You too!

At 4/5/15 04:33 PM, 6359 wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/596203
This is a good example. Clearly unscouted, yet his music still gets into GD. There's a bug somewhere, I tell ya.

One thing I notice about that is that it was posted before unscouted songs being undownloadable took effect. I don't see why it should make a difference (maybe popular custom songs in Geometry Dash are automatically stored in some alternate server for a higher download speed or something?) but do you think you can verify if RECENT unscouted songs still work in GD? If so, then yeah, we'll have to look into it.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-05 22:29:37


At 4/5/15 07:31 PM, Step wrote: Another backlog cleared! *wipes sweat*

Nice job man.

Just a heads up that this account still needs to be deleted

Done.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 04:03:03 (edited 2015-04-06 04:09:16)


Here's another bug of some sorts; this song is banned, but still downloadable in GD.

And here's confirmation that banned songs are still usable. :/

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 08:47:58


At 4/6/15 04:03 AM, 6359 wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/601308
Here's another bug of some sorts; this song is banned, but still downloadable in GD.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/604624
And here's confirmation that banned songs are still usable. :/

I just tested those in Geometry Dash and you're right. They've been unpublished and yet I can still download them from the game. Keep in mind that, despite the tracks being unpublished, they're still available on NG's servers and I can republish them at any time. This means that either the game figured out a way to bypass the fact that they're unpublished and download them anyway, or songs that reach a certain standard of popularity are stored somewhere else so that they can still be downloaded even when they're taken down on Newgrounds.

Again, keep in mind that those two tracks were posted before the download disabling took effect. This change was implemented on February 2nd, and those tracks were posted on January 30th and January 10th. I don't know if that makes any difference but I thought I should mention it.

I'll do some testing and get back to you guys about this.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 08:49:20


At 4/6/15 08:47 AM, DarkShadow166 wrote: I'll do some testing and get back to you guys about this.

Whoops, accidentally posted that on my alt account. Sorry!


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 10:22:02 (edited 2015-04-06 10:25:46)


At 4/6/15 08:47 AM, DarkShadow166 wrote: I'll do some testing and get back to you guys about this.

Right, I tested multiple scenarios and I have some interesting results. @BrenTheMan you might be interested in this.

First thing I did was upload a test song to my alt which I called Test (because originality). I went on my phone, loaded up Geometry Dash, and made a custom level out of that song. I downloaded the song before starting the level, and then played through it. Everything worked as expected. Then, I went through the following steps:

1.) In Geometry Dash, I deleted Test from my custom song downloads, and then I unscouted my alt on Newgrounds.
2.) I then tried playing the GD level again, so I downloaded Test, played through the level, and again, everything was fine.
3.) I removed Test from my downloads again, and this time unpublished it on Newgrounds.
4.) The song still downloaded and played in the level just fine.
5.) I removed Test from my downloads one last time, and this time I deleted the audio on Newgrounds, so there should be no trace of it on Newgrounds at all.
6.) Guess what? Everything was still working perfectly in GD.

This is where things get interesting. I went on my alt account once more, and submitted a song called Test2. I made another custom level on Geometry Dash using this song, except this time, before I downloaded Test2 through Geometry Dash, I unscouted my alt on Newgrounds. Then I tried downloading the track via GD and I got an error - "Failed to fetch song info". I scouted my alt again, and downloaded Test2 through Geometry Dash to play my test level. As expected, it worked just fine. I unscouted my alt for the last time, and this time asked my friend @lemon42, who has the full version of Geometry Dash, to try playing my level. He tried to download Test2, and to my surprise, it downloaded just fine for him!

TL;DR: I made a song called Test1, downloaded it through GD, played my level, and naturally, it worked. Despite unscouting, unpublishing and deleting the audio, the level continued to work. I then made a song called Test2, and unscouted myself right off the bat before playing the level. It didn't work. I then re-scouted my alt, played through the level (and it worked), and finally unscouted my alt and asked my friend to try playing the Test2 level. It still worked.

My conclusion is as follows: When a custom Newgrounds song is downloaded through Geometry Dash by at least one person, it gets stored on Geometry Dash's servers, so no matter what we do to the corresponding Audio Portal submission, it will still work in GD. However, if a song was never downloaded through the game before (because its uploader was never scouted or the track was unpublished before it ever saw the light of day on GD) then it will remain undownloadable and nobody will be able to make a level out of it.

The reason why the songs @6359 posted still work in GD is because they were posted before the download disabling on unscouted submissions took effect (which was on February 2nd). Therefore, they were still downloadable on GD, and by the time the downloads became disabled and the tracks became unpublished, the songs in question were already stored on GD's servers. That's why they still work.

I get why GD custom songs are stored somewhere else after they're downloaded for the first time, since this reduces a huge amount of load on NG's servers, so I suppose on that front it makes sense. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is really the only conclusion I can reach at the moment.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 10:42:17


At 4/6/15 10:22 AM, Step wrote:
At 4/6/15 08:47 AM, DarkShadow166 wrote:
I get why GD custom songs are stored somewhere else after they're downloaded for the first time

Sort of - what the developer does is cache the information about the song on the first download. The files are always retrieved from us directly. When a song is unpublished, the files are still there on the file system so the song can still be downloaded if using cached information.

What should be happening is that after several hours, the data on his end should be getting expired. Then when someone attempts the download, it should report an error. Let me know if you can still download the song 24 hours after it has been unpublished.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 11:04:50


At 4/6/15 10:42 AM, BrenTheMan wrote: Sort of - what the developer does is cache the information about the song on the first download. The files are always retrieved from us directly. When a song is unpublished, the files are still there on the file system so the song can still be downloaded if using cached information.

What should be happening is that after several hours, the data on his end should be getting expired. Then when someone attempts the download, it should report an error. Let me know if you can still download the song 24 hours after it has been unpublished.

Ah I see, that makes sense! The only thing is, the tracks posted by 6359 still work in Geometry Dash, and they've been unpublished for a while now.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 11:26:07


At 4/6/15 11:04 AM, Step wrote: Ah I see, that makes sense! The only thing is, the tracks posted by 6359 still work in Geometry Dash, and they've been unpublished for a while now.

OK - I emailed the developer of GD about that. He may not be expiring links.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 17:51:23 (edited 2015-04-06 17:51:48)


At 4/6/15 10:22 AM, Step wrote loadsa text.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-06 22:07:28


At 4/5/15 07:31 PM, Step wrote: Mind telling me why you think "Cottam, The Creator" is stolen? Seems fine to me!

dude, Tyler the Creator - Yonkers

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-07 07:34:32 (edited 2015-04-07 07:34:44)


I don't understand what people get out of uploading songs that isn't theres and expecting to get attention

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-07 09:23:21


http://gdwaze.newgrounds.com/audio

I'm not sure EVERYTHING is stolen, but I'd guess so.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2015-04-07 15:31:58 (edited 2015-04-07 15:32:09)


Blatant mashup per description

Stolen from the Super Champions anime

Blatant remix

Is it really needed to steal F777 songs if they are already available HERE?

Duplicate of the stolen Super Champions song. (Note: Tags indicate only-for-G(M)D-use song)

Someone tell that guy to stop duplicating the songs he uploads

Again

Uploader admits in on description

Pretty suspicious; unscramble and translate the tags and it forms "Its a song for". Probably meant for G(M)D.